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I hope that they make OS 11 or whatever the next major major version of the OS will be more power user focussed. I am sceptical though. My favourite release of OS X for performance was Tiger, it was rock-solid in my experience and felt lightweight. I think you are right to be skeptical. I think Apple considers both OSes their 'golden child', especially with the absolutely massive gains OSX is making in the PC segment, and they are fully embracing the general consumer computing market.

Everything they are doing signals a move to simplicity and familiarity with OSX being the system that is 'reigned in and streamlined' in the process. If grey linen and genie animations bum you out, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better, and also, it's not really going to get better. I personally don't mind OSX taking design elements from iOS, hiding powerful features in the name of simplicity as long as they are still there , animations, linen, etc.

As long as the features are still there and the OS is fast, I'm good. Unfortunately, the OS isn't fast. While that is imminently rational, the problem in many organizations is due to internal political struggles. Apple might be experiencing this, as iOS starts to vastly eclipse OSX in terms of installed base and profits. Microsoft has definitely lived this for decades and even explicitly enshrined it in their values by Gates, Ballmer, etc "don't threaten Windows" and IMHO, it has led to their stagnation.

We will see. I hear what you are saying, but in practice what Apple seems to have done is used the massive groundswell of iOS adoption as a mechanism for converting these users to their other platform products. Rather than competing with iOS for organizational mindshare and other resources, OSX seems to be the biggest beneficiary of the larger iOS adoption.

While the two may never merge, Apples platform is greater than the sum of its iOS and OSX parts, and Apple is developing increasing application, UI, and stylistic synergy between the two, with OSX bearing the brunt of the makeover. As mentioned above, I did indeed mean accessible in the sense you can actually see the filesystem, create directories etc. If I am comparing to FreeBSD then not really going to argue about it being open to the user though I think it is probably a very good thing that they hide all the UNIX system files from the average user, most people I know with a computer think the filesystem is called 'Desktop'.

I would assume that this is comparing OS X to iOS, where as I understand it applications are restricted to their own file system areas. It was not praise for OS X, but reflecting on the fact that there is no user accessible filesystem on iOS. From their point of view, it's all about the consumer. If the consumer keeps buying their devices us power users "developers" will continue to buy the hardware too. To write apps. And that's all Apple cares about. Look Apple has never had great developer relations.

But I gotta tell you, right now it's the worse I've ever seen. Look to sum up, most "regular" consumers are using one screen. Doesn't matter what us here use and I'd call us power users. The masses uses one screen. I doubt we'll ever see this issue resolved. I agree in a way, and I think we power users as a whole are a bit hypocritical.

But there's actually something that we can do: public shaming. Apple has already taken some steps back in After all, there must be some people inside of Apple who agree with "us" too. And even economically, Apple should be happy if we buy Cinema Displays or at least more of their overpriced adapters. Bad press is the ONLY time they respond. Anyone know Walt Mossberg? On HN there is often talk of "good will" with developers and the effect of that. The fact is good will doesn't trump market opportunity. Market opportunity is like good looks.

It gets you the girl even if you're a dick. Helping the girl with her physics homework gets you good will but won't get you laid. Possible scenarios include: - you are in mirror mode: this means the TV and the internal display will be at their common denominator, suboptimal in both resolution and aspect ratio. DVD Player goes fullscreen on that 13", while you can enjoy 42" of glorious Lion linen. Of course you don't want to close the screen, unless you have both fed the laptop with AC and have an external peripheral at hand to control Apple Remote, an external keyboard or a Magic Trackpad, which is a ludicrous situation.

Yet I see a solution ahead. In Lion an app "going fullscreen" really means "the app gets its own space" I thus prefer the term "fullspace" instead. What's more, since Spaces have been introduced, a multihead setup lies in a single, giant Space all across. It follows that since the two screens are one unique Space, an app going fullspace will under the current implementation take over the two screens. That's the problem, and so there's the solution: in a dual-head setup, the two screens should be two independent spaces, not one across.

This solves a good deal of issues: - fullspace immediately occupies only one screen, with the other ones available to desktops or other fullspace apps - windows can be moved from one monitor to an other monitor from Mission Control. This is not possible currently: you have to exit Mission Control and drag the window to the other screen. This is not possible currently: you have to exit MC, drag the window as the previous case, enter MC again and drag the window to the other space.

There are problems to be solved, like when resolutions differ, but that's really not the end of the world. MC literally begs for those four features.

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I don't know if Apple thought of it yet probably and if they want to go that way who knows, really. For all I know it would mean a heavy deal of refactoring of the current Spaces implementation e. I've learned to treat spaces as complete context switches. I think I like it better this way though I know I'm in the minority here. If I'm working on two projects, each gets its own space and browser window.

This way I can more effectively tune out Personal distractions. I think you're in the minority of the hn community. I'm not entirely sure that you're in the minority in the general population. I don't use spaces, I find actually enforcing a multi-space policy to be pretty hard work. Volpe on July 13, You can change which screen is the 'primary display'. FuzzyDunlop on July 12, Agreed on all counts, however you can change the primary display in System Preferences. You have to drag the menu bar on the diagram onto the display you want to be the primary. Of course, that fixes one thing, but then your laptop screen is rendered useless instead.

Thanks for that. Talk about non-obvious. I could swear there's a checkbox for that on my dual head Hackintosh that is not present on my MacBook when I plug an external screen. Edit: ah, after checking, the drag-the-menubar thing is actually written in the prefpane, and there's no checkbox. Silly me. This is exactly how xmonad handles multiple screens.

I am not very hopeful that Apple will implement this, since it can be pretty confusing to users. Ah I could not remember which of xmonad or awesome was doing that. Mission Control bird's eye view makes workspace management admittedly much less confusing than either one. It could be hidden behind the existing — and checked by default — option "Automatically rearrange Spaces". Produce on July 13, God forbid someone get confused at the expense of a better and more efficient implementation. Little children get confused by long English words.

We should take them out of the dictionary. This has always been the Apple mode of operation. With quite some success, I might add. I know. It's a tragedy. I would love to have multiple monitors, and have multiple desktops per monitor that I change independently. For instance on one monitor I could flip between email, the specs for what I'm working on, etc in different desktops. The other monitor can have a browser that I'm testing in, my code, etc in different desktops. A space that's 2x the width is both elegant and consistent with the existing UI paradigm. I never knew that existed.

What possible purpose could that serve save to show off some gimmick? It exists for most directly-controllable animations. Show dashboard super slowly? Show desktop super slowly? Show Mission Control super slowly? Oddly enough, it doesn't work with F12 on Lion. Oh, it works if you don't have "Show Dashboard as a space" checked.

I always thought that this was a feature for the OS X developers to 'debug' their transitions. You can do fun stuff with it though, e. Now your browser is stuck somewhere halfway the transition. The nice thing is that you can still use your web browser in its deformed state. You can fix your web browser by really minimizing and then maximizing it. For debugging of course. What new transitional UI effects did Mountain Lion add?

I haven't noticed any differences. It eases as a much slower rate at beginning and end. I've also noticed that you cannot cancel a desktop switch until the previous is complete, and thus cannot cancel a desktop move. DigitalJack on July 12, I haven't tried Mountain Lion yet, maybe I should before the retail release. Are the desktop transitions really so slow that you would want to "cancel" one before it finished? Slower than Lion? Lion is already considerably slower than Snow Leopard. It can't possibly be any slower.

I really, really hope you're confused. I haven't noticed any difference switching desktops. Fullscreen and Versions need to be killed or fixed. IanDrake on July 12, I'll probably get slaughtered for saying this, but the more I use OSX and see the really simple stuff that either doesn't exist, doesn't work, or doesn't work well, I end up really confused where most Mac users' complaints of Windows comes from especially compared to Win7. This comes from working on a '10 MBP with Lion. Full screen is basically like "Maximize" in Windows. To me it was shocking that in that was touted as a new feature.

Other things bother me too, like constantly getting the "beachball" for seemingly simple actions and xcode crashing if I breath too hard. I just assume most people aren't having a similar experience. And by "started", I mean it's so severe that I'm probably going to switch to another OS after Mountain Lion is released. I feel like Apple is just trying to screw devs and power users over in a desperate attempt to pull in the iOS crowd. Seeing them push the App Store to the point that they're going to make it more difficult for developers to distribute their apps outside it is also worrying.

Also, I seriously never had a single crash or freeze before Lion, and I've been using OS X for a good 7 years or more. Since installing Lion, I've had frequent lockups with many so bad that I've had to force a shutdown countless times. One of their main selling points in Lion was trackpad gestures, which are definitely great on their laptops, but completely worthless when you want to use a decent mouse with your desktop. Thankfully I kept Snow Leopard on my iMac and it's my main work machine. You're not alone in your frustration.

I'm not a fan of what they are doing with the App Store with the notable exception that everything you buy on the App Store is licensed for all your Macs, with possibly a limit of 5. However, I find "Mission Control" to be perfectly usable. The name is a little dumb, but it's basically just expose with multiple desktop switching added in.

What's the "all flash" part you are talking about? Mentally, I always think of multiple monitors consisting of one space. Mission Control ruins that by displaying each space on each monitor separately, so windows that are side-by-side on different monitors no longer appear side by side in Mission Control. This is a huge mental disconnect. Changing your background globally is a huge pain. Mission Control removes this ability and instead stacks windows, making it harder to find what I'm looking for.

It kills productivity. Additionally, Mission Control is simply much more laggy-feeling. I could easily switch between apps and spaces with no hesitation in Snow Leopard. In Lion, for whatever reason, it was that decided it was important to eliminate this in order to do a fancy slide effect. Lion also gives you the ability to set a unique wallpaper for each desktop, which is nice for some people, but it forces my computer to refresh the items on my desktop each time I scroll into another space.

Mountain Lion has a checkbox to ungroup applications in Mission Control. It's basically like I'm glad they decided to give us some choice. I just wish they'd done it from the beginning.

I usually don't mind when Apple tries out a new direction. It seems several of their products have taken two steps back to try to make a big leap afterwards, like iMovie and Final Cut Pro X? It's only terrible because Apple forced all users to their Revision A software. I have been running That's a pretty major bug to have on year old hardware with your new release.

It feels like QC is slipping. I may give Ubuntu I use vim for my editor anyway so it's not like all that much will be different. I won't miss the beach ball if this works out. Ever since Windows never offered anything similarly useful for me until Windows 7's "hover over the taskbar icon to see previews" feature. I don't understand the desired behavior in Lion at all, though. They took away all-windows Expose I used to have one corner dedicated to all-windows and another to application-windows and turned Spaces into this weird hybrid thing with a useless-to-me Full Screen mode Fortunately, my personal laptop is still on Snow Leopard, and my work machine is used with a couple 24" monitors hanging off of it, so I haven't yet had to use the new way of doing things Mainly due to screen size.

I keep a lot of apps open at the same time, and I like to keep each one on it's own desktop with a couple minor exceptions. I don't like the All-In-One version of xcode Xcode 3, I would keep the doc window on it's own desktop, Interface Builder on it's own, etc I use "fullscreen" mode occasionally; when I do it's usually a web browser or a terminal window.

I'd use it more but even in fullscreen mode, I still want to be able to open a terminal window and keep it on top of the fullscreen app. Like for copying an example from the web. It's too frustrating to do that if I am having to swipe back and forth between desktops The terminal appears everywhere whether you're in a fullscreen app or Mission Control.

This is something I've never understood. Yeah, the registry is a nightmare if you have to fiddle around there, but the taskbar? My god, the Windows 7 taskbar is the paragon of desktop computing perfection. Microsoft knocked it out of the park with the taskbar. I should also add that Lion does not manage memory well.

Opening a new tab in Chrome is a beachball party waiting to happen.

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It manages memory ok, but it is rather greedy. I sat watching a directory copy to our office NAS today saying "About 5 seconds remaining" for around 45 minutes. Something is definitely broken there. It was copying Let alone it just shouldn't be that slow Don't even start me on xcode So you are new to this "computer use" thing? It can even have 20 different explanations, besides the OS. Maybe the network configuration? Maybe the NAS? For major issues and bugs I can understand the complaints --like the buggy XCode. But do people and hackers much more , think it means something to have tiny complains about some one-off annoyance that who knows why and how it happened?

Interestingly, these are the issues that people have been complaining about on Windows for decades and apparently have been the reason for people moving to Macs. But now they are creeping up there, too. Has OS X gotten worse, or was it just the enjoyment of using something new that made people not see these problems on Mac? All OSs have problems. And if you add third party drivers, external services, peripherals, etc, exponentially more problems.

The reasons I use Mac and lots of people too perhaps is not because they don't have problems, but because: 1 It doesn't annoy me with popups, update this, approve that, USB connected, etc. Do people run antiviruses on Linux? If you ever run some apps with statically linked I guess Windows 98 looking "save file" dialogs and such, you know what I mean.

When people talk about Windows, they're talking about 5-year-old beater Inspirons or character HP one-of-three-hundred-identical-laptops-with-different-model-numbers-of-the-week, not EliteBooks, and almost certainly not ThinkPads. As far as software, as someone who supports Windows 7 on a daily basis: I have never spent more than 5 minutes on network printing with Macs.

I have rarely spent less than three hours on network printing with Windows. Let's talk about the fact that it's and when I right-click a printer, I get to choose "printing preferences," "printer properties," and "properties. You shouldn't have to hire the neighbor kid just to use your printer. Additionally, manufacturers override Microsoft's decent if clunky WiFi interface and force you to use poorly designed taskbar-based apps, to the point where smart but non-tech-savvy people can't figure out how to connect to the Internet at a coffee shop.

It's often impossible to avoid the concept of "location profiles," "networks" Home? What the hell gives you the right to open a dialog over my work just because I plugged in an ethernet cable? Ethernet silently gets DHCP and connects. Details are there if I want them in ipconfig and System Preferences, but I hardly ever do. There certainly isn't crap in my taskbar running stupid 3fps animations and demanding my attention every few minutes.

I have never been startled by the audio "Virus database has been updated" coming out of nowhere on a Mac, but this was a daily occurrence for Avast users. How about "Windows is checking for a solution to the problem"? How about UAC dialogs that silently open behind my current window, so my Install Wizard appears to hang when it's actually just waiting for me to click ok?

Full screen is not basically like Maximize; Maximize is basically like Maximize. Full screen hides the chrome. I would compare it to F11 in Firefox. If you change your monitor configuration in the Display Settings to have the menu bar on the external display, then that becomes primary, and full screen apps will go to that monitor by default.

Is this the first bug in Lion OSX? I just installed lion last night, from the official release off the app store, and this morning I tried using my secondary display to watch a movie whilst doing work on my main display like I often do. THEN I discovered that this that had worked brilliantly in leopard and snow leopard, namely to full-screen my movie window in my secondary window, no longer worked. Chris, I have the same problem.

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I always have a video playing on my secondary monitor while I work on my primary. Unfortunately this usually results in some of the wallpaper still being visible top and bottom — you can just set the wallpaper to black. If anyone finds a better solution, please let me know! Very disappointed..

I spent an hour on apple tech support talking to an agent, he went and talked to his supervisor and when he came back. Lion does this by design. Get VLC, go to video preferences, click off the blank other screens while in fullscreen mode. This is how I do it, and always have done it.

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As the user of multiple monitors at both home and work, I HATE apps that screw with the other monitors. When I put full screen on the secondary screen, my iMac screen blacks out. If you go back to the keynotes that talk about full-screen apps, this was done to get rid of all other distractions on your screen, and allow you to just concentrate on the one task at hand.

Going full-screen on one screen, but then allowing yourself to be distracted by a dozen windows from other apps on the second screen kind of defeats the purpose of the full-screen-no-other-distraction feature, no? OS X Daily points out that full screen apps might have been designed specifically with MacBook users in mind, and was […]. Has anyone tested what happens when you drag a window into the secondary monitor and then launch Full Screen? Does it expand to fullscreen within that monitor and block the primary monitor?

Does it expand to fullscreen back on the primary monitor and continue to block the secondary monitor as described in the article? Also, if you have a window on the external display and try to enter full screen mode, it does so but moves that window to your primary display.

You might not be able to drag a full screen onto the second window, but if, f. I thought the point of this feature was to limit distractions?

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If you are able to use your other monitors for other things are you not then distracted? Who said that? Fails on the multitasking part, and alienates the pro users who bought a pro machine to do pro things. This is really ashame, I work every day with dual monitors and finally bought an iMac. Got it home and connected the external monitor and wham! Yes and now theres a half-baked feature in the actual release. Seems apple is now following windows…. Really you guarantee! This only bothers me for Terminal.

And for the love of god, calibrate your display. Use iterm2, it gives you full screen access in both screens at the same time like it should have been done for most applications: browser, terminal, mail,etc. Then what can I do? I just installed Lion on MacBook Air on broken screen, and connected on external monitor. Now I just see a linen wallpaper. How can I fix this? Any help appreciated. Full screen apps seem to associated only with whatever is considered the primary display. Thank you for this tip! Now I can sit back and relax watching my big TV instead of my laptop.

Or have the dashboard visible instead of just a gray screen. What's new? For the nostalgically inclined, older versions are here. With Moom, you can easily move and zoom windows to half screen, quarter screen, or fill the screen; set custom sizes and locations, and save layouts of opened windows for one-click positioning. Once you've tried Moom, you'll wonder how you used your Mac without it.

Quickly fill the screen, or move and resize to vertical or horizontal halves on screen edges. Want quarter-size windows instead? Hold down the Option key, and the palette presents four quarter-size corner options, along with "center without resizing. Click in the empty box below the pop-up palette, move the mouse to where you'd like the window to be, then click-and-drag out its new dimensions. Want to quickly move and zoom windows to certain areas of the screen?

Just enable Moom's Snap to Edges and Corners feature. Grab a window, drag it to an edge or corner, and release the mouse.